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The Lawfare Podcast

Talking Transparency With Meta’s Nick Clegg

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🗓️ 29 June 2023

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

How much transparency do big technology companies owe to their users? The question has become pointed in recent years as users, researchers, and politicians voice discontent about the absence of public information available about how platforms moderate and amplify content. 

Today, Meta’s President of Global Affairs, Nick Clegg, announced a new initiative to provide more information about how the company’s ranking algorithms work on Facebook and Instagram. On this episode of Arbiters of Truth, Lawfare’s occasional series on the information ecosystem, Lawfare Senior Editors Quinta Jurecic and Alan Rozenshtein talked with Clegg about how Meta has approached transparency for both users and researchers. They also discussed Clegg’s controversial 2021 essay on how Meta’s algorithms interact with user preferences.

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My view is that even if these cards, and indeed even the user controls,

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which allow people in effect to curate their own feeds,

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even if they're not used by the majority of users,

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it is still tremendously important in my view that big private sector companies like Meta

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are expected to explain themselves and explain their technology more fully.

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I'm Quinted Jurassic, a senior editor at LawFair,

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and this is the LawFair podcast, June 29, 2023.

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Today we're bringing you an episode of Arbiters of Truth,

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our series on the information ecosystem.

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How much transparency do big technology companies owe to the public?

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The question has become pointed in recent years, as users, researchers, and politicians

1:28.0

have voiced discontent about the absence of public information available,

1:32.0

about how platforms moderate and amplify content.

1:36.0

Today, Meta's president of Global Affairs, Nick Clegg,

1:40.0

announced a new initiative to provide more information about how the company's

1:44.0

ranking algorithms work on Facebook and Instagram.

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