We have a bunch of friends, not going to name names, but they've already earned the last

dollar they will ever spend in their life.

And so now they're trading great hours for useless dollars, which is like such a wake-up call

of a bad trade to make.

Once you have the power to get whatever it is that you want, then the priority shifts

to wanting the right shit.

I feel like I can rule the world.

I know I could be what I want to. John, you want to kick things off? Yeah, where to start? It's so funny. I did a pod with Tim, I don't know, last year or something like that. And I hyper prepared for it because I was like, oh my gosh, Tim Ferriss. This is the guy. This is the reason I did a podcast in the first place. I wanted to be a Tim Ferriss. That was a part of the North Star. This time I had the exact opposite opinion. I was like, I don't have any agenda coming into this, meaning like, I just want to know what's up. I want to know what's new. What's exciting? What are you nerging out about? I just kind of want to hear what's going on. Like, what is Tim Ferriss up to nowadays? And I have your game here. And actually, you told me about this even when we were doing that last podcast. You said, I just spent a few days with one of the world's best game designers. I didn't realize that was our mutual friend, Elon. And he's the man. He came on this podcast too recently. He's the man. So you went and made a game with him. Maybe just, I don't know, let's start there. Why did you make a game? Yeah. Two years in the making, believe it or not. So I grew up with D&D. I still have all my original modules, Dungeons and Dragons, and played a lot of video games.

And as I was looking at what to potentially experiment with next, because every few years I try something that's very much off menu or unrelated to what I'm currently doing.

Right.

So there was the first book and then the angel investing

was sort of a wading into identity diversification so I wouldn't get pigeonholed in one place

as a business author, for instance. And then the podcast after Four Hour Chef, and there have been

a number of other examples. Some work out, some don't.

In the case of the game, this came about, I think, pretty naturally because as I was kind of late

to therapy in life, but better late than never, I guess. And when people do a lot of therapy,

or they do psychedelic experiences, or when they've just had a couple of glasses of wine with friends, at a certain point, what comes up a lot of therapy or they do psychedelic experiences or when they've just had a couple of glasses of wine with friends at a certain point, what comes up a lot is, yeah, you know, I just take

stuff so seriously and it's so heavy and I'm constantly doing A, B, or C, I just need to have like

more play, more play, more play. And if I look back at the books I've written, it's like, yeah,

okay, productivity, efficiency, effectiveness, learning.

There is a serious tinge to it, if that makes sense.

But I feel like analog, getting off of screens and play is more important than ever.

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