If I told you that we are going to have proof of intelligent alien life within the next 12 years,

proof that we are not alone in the universe, why would you believe me?

It's a bold claim to make, and it's a specific claim too.

But first, I'm not the one making it.

This idea that we will have certainty of intelligent

life by 20, 35 or sooner isn't coming from me or some obscure corner of the web or your

slightly crazy uncle who's been obsessed with UFOs since the 70s. This claim is rooted in science,

in reality. And in this episode, you'll hear it for yourself.

And they got a small beam of light against the air. And they're going. One. Weird. Stuff.

The news cycle is exhausting.

More and more people are telling me they've stopped watching.

It's so depressing, so divisive, so overwhelming.

I get it.

But if you've been following a strict news diet,

you might have missed what feels like some of the wildest stories of our lifetime.

Stories like Air Force officer and former U.S. intelligence officer, David Grush,

blowing the whistle on what he describes as the federal government's top secret UFO retrieval program?

We're definitely not alone. Absolutely the data points empirically that we're not alone.

Well, naturally, when you recover something that's either landed or crashed,

sometimes you encounter dead pilots.

And believe it or not, as fantastical as that sounds, it's true.

And then there's the news coming from Harvard's Galileo Project, which sent an expedition team to the Pacific Ocean to trawl for evidence of a crashed interstellar object.

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