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Hello, my name's David Rundsenman and this is past, present, future, the History of Ideas podcast.

Today, I'm talking with Helen Thompson about the tortured relationship between Peter

Mandelson and the leadership of the Labour Party. But we're not just talking about what's been

happening this week, this month, not even what's been going on over the past year. This is a

conversation covering more than three decades about the long history of new labour.

Just what kind of a drama has this been?

Helen, the idea for this particular pair of conversations came out of a message that you sent me

in February when Peter Mandelson's final disgrace took place, the one that led to the resignation

of Morgan McSweeney, among other things, and threatened the position of the Prime Minister.

That is an ongoing saga, and we will come back to it. And you said,

this is Act 5 of the New Labour drama. And it led me to think what Acts 1 to 4 were, how one would

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