And then I remember, this is one one to ask you, I don't know when you remember this, but at some period there, I overtook dad. And dad was no longer the guy I was trying to hang on to. And, you know, if I wanted to go fast, you go get in my wheel, son, and we'd go fast and do the last 10K or something. And then all of a sudden it was like yeah we'd swap turns then all of a sudden

dad was in my wheel and then he couldn't you were the one looking after him when did that happen

for you can you even remember when that transition i'm trying to think when that happened for me

i can't even remember exactly but it was in the first few years i remember well it's always a time

actually that well for me and my dad it was always a time where he was

yeah not looking forward to the day that I was better than him you know it's like soon you're

going to be better than me soon you're going to have to look after me um but I think the time like

how I like we have a leased chain gang every Tuesday and Thursday yeah and actually at the start

of the 2012 Olympics that this chain gang was like seventh on the medal table or something

after the first week of the 2012 Olympics what does that what does that mean well the brown

lees lizzie armist dead and we also counted Ed Clancy.

All their events had already been, so we had two golds, one silver, one bronze.

Ah, right.

So we were seventh on the middle table.

Anyway, so this was, yeah, I remember, like, the times, like, building up for this,

like I would, we'd drive there

and i'd do it i'd turn around early and meet them on the way back and eventually yeah we'd go

around the whole way from home i think that's the biggest measure of when i was you're getting

better than my dad like he would kind of hang on up the up the sheving, we call his hill on the way home.

Like we go all the way around and, yeah, we could do the hill.

And there's probably about 10 guys left and we, we raised the last, maybe 5K to the finish from there.

And then a sprint.

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