I think now that you've got something like Strava, as you said, you're no longer a pro cyclist,

you don't have care of watching over every movement. And it's kind of, it almost keeps you

accountable, I think. Like if you're uploading a Strava, people get to say, oh, yeah, Mitch is

keeping fit or, like, you're out for a run. All of a sudden, in the back of your mind,

you're going, hang on, there's people follow me. I wonder, I don't really want to just, like,

dawdle around. You still have a bit of pride about you. You've been a pro for 10, 15 years or whatever it is like you still have a bit of stubbornness about you and want to show that

you're still a strong rider or strong runner when you're out for a run and I think this is

almost a thing to keep you accountable, keeps you linked up with your mates because someone will see it and might comment on it or go, that's a great loop. I'm going to go try that because Mitch went and wrote it. And it's almost a way of connecting with people and probably is a little bit like the Rafa clubhouse stuff that you've often spoken

about. It's almost like having a community no matter where you go that if you go overseas and

go ride your bike, you can link up with a local group, see where they leave from, see where they

go, meet new friends. There's a lot of social parts about it as well, not just the competitive

side of Strava.

Well, that's a little snippet from the last week's episode that I did talking about Strava.

I chatted with three guys to understand what is this thing, Strava, something that I've become very accustomed to now as a non-pro.

And I know everyone out there was listening to me going, yeah, we know about it, but I thought it was interesting to go and chat about it.

I spoke with Mark O'Brien who you just heard now, who is a guy who has

used Strava as a coach, as an athlete, and also as a guy riding to work. I spoke to Jay Vine

who's used it to become professional and a guy who's already been pro and has gone back and

rediscovered it as well, George Bennett. Those three angles, that's what we discover in last week's episode.

This week, I've got you Mark O'Brien to talk a bit of loft. And I love talking to Marco. He's a

guy that I've known throughout my whole cycling career and was great to talk to him. He's a fan

of the podcast, so he knew all the questions, but I wanted to hear his style tips as well, a guy who has

...