And the Hang on I'm just going to wait for the truck to go by.

It's Saturday morning, so there's trucks and tractors and anyway. This week we welcome back to the show the one and only Ivy Bromios.

Ivy is the proprietor author I guess project manager of all things of Circle thrice.

com long time internet friend, long time real friend now that we've met in person a few times and all the rest of it.

So super excited to have you back on the show to talk about, how will we describe this Ivy?

What are we going to talk about?

Well, we're going to talk about this really weird project, which is sort of like a big life project, which was Ivy gets through cancer, and then also generated this thing that I made called the cancer

bramore, which I just kind of put out there for people

and which I'm trying to get the word out about,

which is all this magic that happened during that process for me.

Yeah, so it's a health discussion and a magic discussion and a personal journey.

And I'm going to ask you a trick question to start with it'll be obvious

coming miles off right but where do you locate the beginning of this story for you when you

tell it?

Well this is a a great question because I locate like every time you say it started here and then you go but really it started here and then you go but really it started here and then it started back in the day. So the last time I was on the show and I really appreciate you having me on again. Thank you.

No, happy to love it. Carry on.

Yeah, yeah, the last time I was on the show, we talked a little bit about this really weird

initiatory experience I had when I was 18 and it sort of like broke my brain a little bit and it sort of kind of opened

the world up for me and that was kind of my, that's when I knew kind of that all the stuff was real and that's kind of when I felt like a whole person and there was just kind of big experience in my life.

And that was when I was 18.

Last year I was 48.

That means that this was the Saturn return

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