Do you have a favorite? Not meant to, but mostly the unloved ones, the unvisited ones, the cases that get dusty and ignored.

All the broken and shunned creatures.

Someone's got to care for them.

Who shall it be if not us? Yes.

Yes. Welcome to Roon soup, a weekly podcast about magic, culture and the very best new and old ideas for living in this world, coming to you from

43 degrees south on a small farm in deepest Tasmania.

My name is Gordon and I shall be your host.

This week we welcome to the show Dr. Christopher White.

Professor White is Dean of Religion at Vassar and the author of the recently released

Other Worlds spirituality and the Search for invisible dimensions.

He joins us today to talk about flatland, nania, and the impact of scientific discoveries

on how we frame spiritual realities.

Oh, and one quick note before we begin the Skype Gremlins were out in

medium force for this episode I've done my best to clean it up and it's absolutely

worth listening through but yes before we jump in it's worth pointing that out.

All right onwards.

Christopher White no relation I presume.

I don't know maybe we're distant cousins and we should look into this I think we could do it we

could do a test like a 23 and me type of test.

Absolutely I remember my father saying and I'm not sure if he just made this up or not, but sometime in the 90s,

we had officially the most common last name in the world if you add together all the European languages,

so you've got LeBlanc and whatever in France.

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