Hello everybody I'm Keith Morrison and we are talking dateline. Today I'm here with

well we couldn't get anybody else so it it's Josh Manchowitz. Hello Josh.

Hi. So we're going to talk about this episode, right? Which is called wrong terms.

Named after my career, yes.

Yeah, that's accurate.

If you haven't seen it, it's the episode right below this one on your

Dateline podcast feed, so go there and listen to it

and stream it on peacockock and then come back here.

And there are spoilers here of course, so be careful about that.

For this talking date line, Josh has a never-before-heard clip from his interview with Detective Stoyer.

Did I get that right, Josh?

Stoyer.

That's his name.

But to recap, when Justin Hilbert's body

was found on the side of the road,

investigators never imagined another murder

would help them piece together the question of who killed Justin. another murder

would help them piece together the question of who killed Justin.

Investigators uncovered a murder plot fuel by greed and jealousy,

but one which went horribly wrong. The intended victim survived but her boyfriend Justin and one of her boyfriend's

killers was killed as well. Josh, let's talk, Dateline. This was quite a remarkable story. I mean it was one of those stories Josh it seems to me that

You say if it was fiction you wouldn't believe it. It was just seemed too fanciful too strange

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