Hi everyone, it's Blaine Alexander and we are talking Dateline. I'm joined today by Josh

Makowitz to discuss his episode Under the Bay Bridge. Now, if you haven't seen it, it's the episode

right below this one on your Dateline podcast feed. So make sure to go there, listen to it,

or stream it on Peacock,

and then come right back here. Now, just to recap, when tech executive Bob Lee was fatally stabbed in 2023 on the streets of San Francisco, concerns grew over violence in the city. Investigators

discovered that the crime was actually far more personal involving the suspected killer's sister, allegations of sexual abuse, and a rather convoluted theory of the potential motive.

Well, for this talking dateline, we also have an extra clip about the star witness in the trial, Kazar Momini, and what it was like for Bob Lee's brother to watch her take the stand and defend the man accused of killing him.

All right, Josh.

Let's talk Dateline.

How are you doing?

I am good, my friend.

How are you doing?

Good.

Good.

Great to see you.

So my first question, actually, this one came to me as I was watching. A lot of time in the Dateline world, our stories don't necessarily

make national news before we air them on Dateline, right? Like our audience is hearing about them

for the very first time when we bring them the story. This was clearly the opposite. This is a story

that I remember when it first happened. I remember watching it. We covered it so heavily on NBC.

How does that change your process,

either the storytelling process or even just kind of how does that impact when you're trying

to get people to do interviews with you? Well, it makes booking interviews a little more difficult

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