Hi, everybody, it's Josh Mankiewicz, and we're talking Dayline. Today we're talking about an episode

called The Watcher, and we're here with the correspondent who is, let me see, I have that here

somewhere. Oh, it's Keith. Yeah, my Keith. You know, that's a good title, don't you think?

It is a good title, although one could argue that it gives it away because when I,

there were points in this where I thought like, oh, yeah, it's called The Watcher.

So, yeah, and now I know who it is watching. Yeah, that's true. It's true.

This is a very good episode, I thought.

Now, if you have not seen it, this is the episode right below this one on your Dateline podcast

feed. So go there, listen to it, or you could stream it on Peacock and then come back here.

So just to recap, in 2011, Georgia law student Lauren Giddings vanished. Investigators were pretty certain

that this wasn't an ordinary missing person's case. And then, in what really amounted to some

very lucky happenstance, investigators found some dismembered remains at Lauren's apartment,

and then they knew what had happened. What they did not know was who had

committed that crime. And it turned out that someone who was the watcher, her next door neighbor,

had actually done it. Now for this talking deadline, we have the very latest developments in this

case because the man who ended up pleading guilty to the murder of Lauren Giddings tried to

appeal his conviction.

One of his defense attorneys revealed some significant details of the murder that his client may not

have wanted to make public. So let's talk timeline. The sense that I get from from Lauren Giddings is that

she was a lot of fun. She was really smart.

She was really interesting.

And she was, you know, maybe the glue that held all our friends together.

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