Hey everyone. I'm Andrea Canning and we are talking Dateline. Today I'm

here with Keith Morrison. Hey Keith. Hi Andrea. Good to see you. This episode is called The Secret in Black Rock Canyon. If you

haven't seen it, it's the episode right below this one on your list of

podcasts. So go there and listen to it or stream it on peacock and then come back here.

Today Keith has an extra clip that he's going to play for us that didn't make the show from

his interview with an expert on teen violence.

Plus we're going to be joined later by Captain John Ganski who led the investigation

of Cassie's murder. To recap in September 2006 16-year-old Cassie Joe's daughter

was found stabbed to death at her relatives home in Pocatello, Idaho.

Detectives passed through various possible suspects, including Cassie's boyfriend, but they finally landed on two of her classmates, Tori, Adam Chick, and Brian Draper.

These two teenage boys were so obsessed with violence and horror movies.

They wanted to make a real life horror movie of their own and chose and Yes, this was truly a disturbing story, where we hear about kids turning on each other and doing

terrible things to each other, often sometimes killing each other.

For reasons nobody, no adult can understand, it's truly bizarre. The thing about this one is that I wonder often is if

Captain Ganski, who will be talking to in a bit, had not made the discoveries he made, had he not gone out to the desert, had he not managed to persuade Brian to talk,

had he not found the tape in which the boys are talking about what their intentions are and

then what they had already done, would these two have managed to escape justice after all, you know.

If Brian, the one who confessed, had been more like Tori, the one who was advised to say nothing and did say nothing,

would they have been able to solve the crime.

Right, and also Cassie's boyfriend, Matt, you know, at the very end, says, oh, by the way,

these two guys were over.

If he had not said that, as you said in the peace,

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