Hi, everybody. I'm Josh Mayankiewicz, and we are talking Dateline today with Andrea. Hi, Andrea.

Hi, Josh. This episode of yours is called The Room Downstairs. And if you in the audience have not listened to it, it's the episode

right below this one on your Dateline podcast feed. So go there and listen. Now, for this talking

Dateline, Andrea has two extra interview clips that did not make it into the broadcast. So to recap,

this was March 2011 in suburban New Jersey just across the George Washington Bridge from Manhattan

in New York City. A house was engulfed in flames. Firefighters found a body in a basement

bedroom, belonged to a 59-year-old guy named Robert Cantor. And police did have a feeling that it was

more than a standard house fire.

Turned out they were right because he had been shot in the head and that the fire was a kind of a cover-up.

So this case sort of takes us to the oldest motive in the book, which is jealousy, passion, revenge, and a love triangle, familiar shape to anybody who watches Dateline, that went very,

very wrong. So let's talk Dateline. You know, everything about this from the beginning, from when

you first, you know, the guy first sees the smoke coming from across the street, the guy who's

fixing his tire, like you immediately think, yeah, there's going to be more to it than just

somebody dies in a fire. And I thought it was very interesting what the fire investigators said

that when you see a healthy person, not somebody who's, you know, confined to their bed or something,

a guy who's 59 years old, they don't stay in the bed.

They're trying to get out.

You find them near the door or they're clearly trying to get out of the place where the fire is happening

and that that didn't happen in this case.

And that was in itself suspicious.

It sure didn't.

And, of course, Rob had been shot. So, you know, once they got a closer look at the body, this was not a death by fire, not a

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