Hi, everybody. I'm Keith Morrison, and we are talking deadline. Today I'm here with a

reprobate named Josh Makowitz to discuss his latest episode, The Professor and the Poet. Interesting

title, Josh. Did you pick that one out? Let me put it this way. No.

Yeah. No.

If you have not seen it, you can watch the episode on Peacock or listen to it in the Dateline

podcast feed and then come right back here for our talk.

And later, we'll have an extra clip from Josh's interview with the killer's ex-girlfriend.

Then I'll be joined by

Dateline producer Rachel White to answer social media questions about the episode. Are you ready, Josh?

Let's do this. I have never been more ready. All right. There's literally nothing you can do right now

that will upset me. Okay, fine. So this was an interesting story.

Josh, what particular part of it drew you to doing this? Well, you know, this is a story that

has one thing in common with a lot of stories we do, which is that it involves a person who was,

the victim in this case, Sue Markham.

She was smart.

She was accomplished.

She was together.

She was no pushover.

But she had a blind spot.

She had a blind spot for this guy, Jorge Landeros, who she originally met as Spanish

teachers.

She wanted to learn Spanish.

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