Hi everybody I'm Josh Mankowitz and this is talking Dateline and our guest today Craig

Melvin.

Hi, Manck honored, honored to be on, sir.

Delighted to have you here.

You've done this wonderful two-hour date line about the Murdoch case, which, you know, one of the biggest true crime cases to come along in a while

also joining us is one of the producers of that episode the fabulous Carol Gable.

Hi Carol.

Hey friend how are you?

It's so great to see you because normally, you know, you're just a voice on a phone or...

We're divided by a whole country, yes.

Let me say now that if you have not seen this episode on the Murdoch case or if you have not

listened to it in podcast form it is the podcast right below this one on the

list of podcasts if you haven't seen it or heard it you can watch it on

TV or you can listen to it in podcast form. Do that, then come back here. Okay, let's talk Dateline. This is a story and that's this is kind of a challenge because a lot of times when you do stories on Dateline, the audience doesn't really know anything about it.

It's from a town that people don't go to all the time and it's about people that they haven't

heard of, but that's not this story. Lots of people know this. No doubt. I mean I would I would maintain

Mike that was one of the biggest challenges with this one. It was a case that

People who had been following it from the beginning,

which was, you know, more than two years ago now,

the people who've been following it

were familiar with all of the ends and outs,

the twists and turns. So this time the goal was to lift the veil if you

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