Hi everybody I'm Josh Mayakowitz and we are talking Dateline and our guest today is

Dennis.

Hi Dennis.

Hey Josh how you All good here.

I'm great.

This episode is called The Killer on Camera 4.

If you have not listened to this broadcast yet, it is the episode right below this one on the

list of podcasts that you just chose from. So go there, listen to it,

or watch it on TV or stream it on peacock and then come back here. Now today we're

going to talk about the episode and Dennis also has an extra clip from the interview with Jennifer Green that he's going to play for us.

Later, Dennis is going to answer some of your questions from social media about the broadcast.

So let's talk to a little bit about the victim.

This was something that came up a couple of times in your interview.

And I thought it was very sort of poignant which is this is a guy who woke

up every day of his life certainly every day of his professional life and thought I could die today and even if he didn't think it

he knew it somewhere in the back of his mind because that job involves risking your life on

pretty much a daily basis but that dying that way is one thing. That's easy to accept. This is something else.

I remember talking with his commander in the firehouse there and he said,

John Hecky, who's the victim, is the kind of guy that will go through the door, which means the place is on fire and he'll go through the door and do what he has to do to help whatever's going on in there.

And I thought, what a great phrase, a guy who goes through the door and that's who John I was what was that like talking to the other firefighters in the station there and I mean it's just an amazing crew

When you talk to them they say you can't understand it unless you've lived this life unless you've done it.

And I must say I do understand that.

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