Hi everybody I'm Josh Mankowitz and we're talking Dateline today with Andrea Canning.

Hi Josh.

So this episode is called The Butterfly. This is the season premiere episode, isn't it?

Yes it is. Now if you've not seen The Butterfly, it's the episode right below this one on your Dateline podcast feed. So go there and

listen to it or stream it on Peacock and then come back here. So for this talking

Dateline Andrea has brought a clip from her interview with investigator

Paul Newton about breaking into that glass-blowing class to arrest the suspect.

My favorite extra clip of all the talking datelines we've ever done.

How's that for a tease? That's a pretty high bar. Just briefly to recap,

Caitlin Markham disappeared in August 2011 from her home in Fairfield, Ohio, her friends and family knew right away that something was wrong.

It would take years, which is something we'll talk about to finally put together a

theory as to exactly what happened and to figure out who killed her which was

her fiancee John Carter. So let's talk's talk Dateline. Let's do it.

So the thing that leaped out at me about this episode is that like other good Dateline

episodes this showcases both some very good police work and some not very

good police work. I mean I think most people would agree with you. The one thing that I couldn't believe,

just based on all the datelines we've done,

was the computer.

You know, he says he's watching the show

and the investigators feel like the computer backs that up.

Well, obviously, if you're savvy with technology, with computers, you can set up your computer

in a way that shows that you're watching something.

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