Hey everyone, it's Dennis Murphy here, and we are talking Dateline. Today, I'm pleased to say I'm joined by Keith Morrison to discuss his episode, Secrets in the Mist. If you haven't listened to this episode yet, it's the episode two below this one on your Dateline feed, so go there, listen to it and and stream it on Peacock, and then come back here.

Hey, Keith, it's good to see. Always nice to be in your company. Good to see you, Dennis. A delight.

I really enjoyed this story. I think of it as not so much as a whodunit is. Aren't they going to be

able to get it? But let's do a little recap before we talk about the spot. It's about 27-year-old Carol Luban. She vanished in the middle of the

night in 1981. Her family imagined that she'd moved on and built herself a better life

similar else. But as years went by without hearing from Carol, those closest to her and investigators

wondered if something far more sinister had happened. Good old-fashioned detective work,

and the social media app Facebook

finally took investigators to the killer. It turned out to be none other than Carol's husband, Mike.

For this talking dateline, we have an extra clip from Keith's interview with Mike and Carol's son, Mike Jr.

So let's dive in and talk dateline, Keith. You know, I was struck by how little the prosecutors had to work with here, were you?

Well, exactly.

And this is one of the cases we did with a Los Angeles ADA named John Lewin.

He specialized in, and I think still does whenever he can, in, you could call him high motive,

low evidence cases.

I think he calls him that himself.

So they're very difficult to prove, no body case.

Cynical wisdom is no body, no crime.

How are you going to present your case that you can't persuade to tell the jury that,

in fact, the victim is dead? Yes, exactly right. And in this case, the victim said several times

she'd just leave and go off and live a different life with a different guy somewhere else.

So there was every reason for her family to kind of overcome their worries and decide that she'd just

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