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Talking Dateline: Running Man

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True Crime, Culture, Social, Society & Culture, News

4.438K Ratings

🗓️ 19 November 2025

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

Blayne Alexander talks with Andrea Canning about her episode, “Running Man.” When the remains of Ontario mother Ashley Schwalm were found inside a burned-out car in 2023, investigators narrowed in on her firefighter husband and the careful steps he took to try to get away with her murder. Andrea talks about reporting on a case in her hometown and her unexpected, yet personal, connection to the women and children’s shelter My Friend’s House. Blayne and Andrea play a podcast-exclusive clip about the Sunflower Fund established in Ashley’s honor. Plus, Dateline producer Lynn Keller joins to answer social media questions. Have a question for Talking Dateline? DM us a video to @DatelineNBC or leave a voicemail at (212) 413-5252. Your question may be featured in an upcoming episode. Listen to the full episode “Running Man” on Apple: https://apple.co/43BaM6u Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2ngU2A0Jnu1TyjdiuUDiym Get resources on domestic violence: https://www.thehotline.org/ Check out NBC’s The More You Know Campaign on domestic violence featuring the Dateline correspondents: https://www.themoreyouknow.com/

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0:00.0

Hi, everyone. I'm Blaine Alexander, and today we are talking Dateline. I am here with my good friend, Andrea Canning, to talk about her episode, Running Man. Hi, Andrea. Hey, Blaine. Okay, if you haven't seen it, you can watch the episode on Peacock or listen to it in the Dateline podcast feed, and then we want you to come right back here. But just a quick

0:21.3

recap, in 2023, when the remains of Ashley Schwamm were found in a burned out car at the bottom

0:26.7

of a ditch, investigators wondered if this was a tragic accident or something far more sinister.

0:32.7

They learned that her firefighter husband, James, had meticulously planned out his wife's murder. In this episode,

0:38.8

we've got an extra clip of Andrea's interview with Samantha Jones, the executive director of

0:43.2

the women's and children's shelter, My Friend's House. She'll talk more about the event held in

0:47.7

Ashley's honor and how the Sunflower Fund supports victims of domestic violence. And later on,

0:53.1

we will be joined by Dateline producer

0:54.7

Lynn Keller to answer some of your questions from social media. So Andrea, let's talk Dateline.

0:59.9

Let's do it. Before we even jump into the specifics of the episode, the thing that caught me

1:04.3

immediately off the bat was seeing clips of young Andrea reporting in your hometown. That was the coolest thing.

1:10.4

Yeah, I mean, I covered that

1:12.1

area. I was based at a station in Bay Area, Ontario, which is an hour north of Toronto, but

1:17.7

Collingwood, Blue Mountain was part of our coverage area. So I had really come home at that point,

1:24.1

you know, to be a young reporter. And so it was interesting to go down memory lane

1:28.2

and we went back to my old station and, you know, interviewed a reporter there, did a stand-up,

1:33.7

the editor who was still there from when I worked there, put together a bunch of clips for us.

1:41.3

And so, yeah, it was, it was really nice to be back there after all those years. And literally

1:46.8

right as I walked in the door of the station, a cameraman that I used to work with all the time

1:52.6

was just coming in from shooting something. And I was like, you've got to be kidding me. Like all

1:57.7

these years later. That's incredible. There's always something special about the

2:01.7

first station. For those of us who were in news, like, you always go back and look at those old clips, and it's like, oh gosh, I was wearing that? Or what was my hair doing? Oh my gosh. Yeah. When you look at some of those clips, you're just like, I tried to pick the best ones because there were some really bad ones, which people might have enjoyed as well. But, you know. Well, it was very, very cool to see.

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