Hi, everyone. I'm Blaine Alexander, and today we are Talking Dateline. And today is a special edition of Talking Dateline because we have not one, but two guests here. Of course, the one and only Josh Mancow. Hi, Josh. Hello. And we are also joined by Dateline producer Michelle Madigan to talk about their episode, Open Water.

Michelle, thank you for joining us.

Hi, Blaine.

It's great to be here.

So good to have you.

Okay, before we jump into the conversation, if you haven't seen this episode yet, you can go find it on the Dateline podcast feed.

So go there, listen to it, and then come right back here.

Now to recap, when Lonnie Kekontas invited his wife, Mickey Kan there, listen to it, and then come right back here. Now to recap, when Lonnie

Kakantus invited his wife, Mickey Kanasaki, on a European cruise, she thought it would be a

great opportunity to rekindle their relationship. But Mickey never got that opportunity. A few

days into the cruise, Lonnie woke up to find her missing. Had she jumped overboard or been pushed off?

As police looked into Lonnie as a possible suspect, his friends took the investigation into

their own hands to try and prove his innocence. And what they found changed the course of the

case and their lives forever. For this talking dateline, we've got an extra clip from Lonnie's friend Bill about an interesting

hobby of his.

But first, let's talk Dateline.

Let's do it.

Let's talk about Lonnie.

Because Lonnie, you guys took me on an emotional roller coaster with Lonnie.

I have to say, I mean, about 18 minutes in, I said, okay, this man clearly did it. And then 22 minutes in, I said, no. And then halfway through, I just had no idea. So, I mean, that's the mark of a good Dateline episode, obviously. But, I mean, let's talk about this guy because he is somebody who, obviously, he's a lawyer, he's intelligent. He did well in law school. It kind of knows a lot here.

He was a very smart guy and a very good lawyer.

Yeah.

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