Hi, everyone. I'm Lester Holt, and we're talking Dateline today and here with senior producer

Alison Orr, and producer Anne Priceman, to talk about this week's episode Malice. If you haven't seen it,

you can watch the episode on Peacock or listen to it at the Dateline podcast feed and then come right back here to listen to our discussion.

In this episode, we'll have a podcast exclusive clip from Blaine's interview with Susan

Embert about a public Facebook post she made in the days after Jake Embert's death.

And then later, we'll answer some of your questions from social media.

So now let's talk Dateline. First of all, ladies, thank you for being with us.

Thank you for having us. Thanks, Lester. The reason why Blaine is not here, I'm sure she would

love to be here talking to you about the episode. Instead, you get me and Anne, is because

Blaine is on her way as we speak and record this episode to do what is going to be her first

jailhouse dateline interview inside a facility. And you're going to see that. I'm sure it's

going to be great, really interesting case on a future dayline.

Alison, I don't know if you want to start off and just kind of give us the big picture of

this story. I watching it, I felt like I was watching a bouncing ball half the time.

There were so many, so many twists and turns.

There were so many twists and turns.

Things got started.

They slowed down, you know, one step forward, one step back.

But the story essentially begins in 2014 in Georgia.

A man named Jake Ember was found shot to death in his home.

His wife on the scene told investigators and the coroner who arrived that she believed he'd shot

himself in the head, and it was very quickly ruled a suicide. But his children, his children

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