Hi, everybody. I'm Josh Mancowicz, and we are talking Dateline today with Blaine Alexander. Hi, Blaine.

Hello, hello. So this episode is called Deadly Entanglement. It's about the 2013 murder of a woman named Desiree Sunford in her home in Yakima County, Washington,

and the very, very complicated relationship that ultimately led to her murder.

Now, if you haven't listened to the broadcast yet, it is the episode right below this one

on the list of podcasts that you just chose from.

So you can go there, you can listen to it, you can also stream it on Peacock,

or you can look at it on your DVR, which is what you should be doing, is watching the episode in addition to listening to the podcast and then listening to Talking Date Line.

And if you don't have any time for the other things in your life like your family, that's your problem.

So go there, listen to it, and then come back here.

Now, when we come back, Blaine has an extra clip that she's going to play for us with her interview with the woman who's absolutely at the center of this page, Blades.

Later, I'm going to be joined by Dateline producer Susan Liebowitz, who will help answer

some of your questions about the broadcast

from social media. So stick around for that. And now let's talk Dateline. All right. So one of the

great things about this story is that from the get-go, you're like, all right, well, it's pretty

clearly the husband, right? I mean, that guy's a liar. He's acting like out of a textbook,

like how to make the police suspicious of you right after something is having. I don't want to go

in the house, but I want the cops to find the body, right? I don't want to be in there. And then

it turns out there's a whole other subterranean

thing beneath the service. You know, we kind of commented at some point that viewers will need

literally a notepad to write down all of the people and how they're related in arrows and

kind of like a playbook, right? Because once we get into this and once we

really start diving into this marriage and then there is another woman and then there's another

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