Hi, everyone. I am Blaine Alexander, and today we are talking Dateline. I'm so happy to be joined by my good friend Josh Mankowitz. Hi, Josh. Hello.

We are here to discuss your episode, Deadly Detour, and what an episode it was. So if you haven't seen it, you can watch the episode on

Peacock or listen to it in the Dateline podcast feed and then come right on back here for this

conversation. Later, we'll have an extra clip from Josh's interview with several jurors from this

case. Then Josh will answer some of your social media questions about the episode. All right, Josh,

my friend,

let's talk Dateline. Just for our viewers who may not be as familiar, just kind of give us a

quick rundown of what happened here. Well, you know, Tex McIver was, was an attorney in Atlanta

and a very big deal and had been for a long time.

And he was married to Diane, who was also a very big deal in business in Atlanta.

And so they were sort of this power couple.

And they had this property way, way, way outside of town.

And they had been there for the weekend and they were coming back.

And as they were getting off the freeway, something happened.

In Texas version of what happened, he thought he was driving into the middle of a Black Lives Matter protest,

which he was not.

But he did say that.

He was not driving.

And Diane was not driving.

Driving was their friend, Danny Joe.

Because he was afraid of what he thought was about to happen,

and I will say that that sort of strains credulity a little bit,

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