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I'm

a podcast for women over 40 I'm Talia Vakassis and I'm Kim France

So today we have Lisa Lucas the outgoing

executive director of the National Book Foundation and incoming senior

VP at Noth Double Day. Welcome, Lisa.

Thanks for having me.

Thanks for being here.

Yeah, those are two really cool jobs.

Did you always know you wanted to go into publishing? Absolutely not. I mean I think I get asked a lot about like what I wanted to be when I grew up when I was a kid and I don't think I had any real sense at all.

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