The very informal economy, so there is a lot of countereconomy.

So there is a lot of people selling a t-shirts for nigh or adidas

but that are fake or there is a lot of selling

of... a lot of selling of of of of of DVDs and of the

of DVD copies and things I had so the economy is very

informal in general and and that is very curious in very

in general and and that is very curious in many ways it has developed a very different conscious that in our

countries because people are not necessarily consider, many of them consider themselves workers

but at the same time they don't have unions or the kind of organizations that exist in our

countries.

And so do you think that because so much of the economy in Peru is informal,

not just in terms of knock-off goods or that kind of thing,

but also going back to indigenous markets there's still very much

that culture of that's where you get your your food and your clothes do you think

there's always been a tension there between the modernizing forces of the Peruvian

government and this massive informal economy? There is a strong tension between like the

street sellers and the government because in some areas of particular Lima which is the largest city in in Peru

like the street sellers have taken all over the streets and in some cases even the

it is I think that there is some attempts of modernizing the the

Peru and state but that also require formalizing the economy and people don't want to pay taxes because Peru is pretty corrupt.

So there is a historian, a Trotsky historian, it was called of of Poons of Euros.

He died some years ago, but he had a bird who was quite mainstream,

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