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Ben and I sat down with Bruce Bond,

CEO of Innovator Capital Management.

We had Bruce Beck on in March 2019.

I think he's one of the first ones that we did.

And no spoilers.

We'll let him talk about it in the show.

But Ben, where credit is due? Were we not bullish on this filling a need for

investors?

Yeah, we thought after talking to him we thought this is going to do really well in terms

of gathering assets because it was such a good story to tell and it sounds like

for what Bruce tells us it has done really well like you and I said if we could invest in

Innovator the business, we would.

We thought that these were great ideas,

that there would be a huge appetite from investors

because there was such an easy and clean story

to tell from advisors to their clients and not surprisingly I'm making up a number

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