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and do not reflect the opinion of Ritholz wealth management. This podcast is for informational purposes only. not be relied on and the securities discussed in this podcast. We're sitting here with Dana Cavalia,

author of Habits of a Champion,

worked for the New York Yankees for how long are we talking here?

They were the Yankees.

12 years total.

All right, first one, because I am a West Mission

guy like my pal Derek Jeter or your pal Derek Jeter, give us your best Jeter story.

Man you're putting me on the spot right from the jump.

So he's from about 45 minutes away from my hometown.

So Jeter has a big presence in West Michigan.

So I want to hear one of your favorite Jeter stories.

Yeah, well, you know what, the thing is thing is people when you talk about Derek

Cheater they're looking for these these amazing stories but what you're dealing with is

like a typical classic introvert from the Midwest. So Derek you know this guy this guy is so simple. All else to do is watch movies, you know, go to great

restaurants and sit at Starbucks and watch what's kind of going by and seeing what he may want to introduce himself to here and there.

But I really don't have any unbelievable Derek stories that I can share here with you. So you became an intern for the Yankees at

19 and at 23 you were hired to be the assistant strength and conditioning coach. Not bad.

At 23, well you don't want to know where I was at 23, but

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