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Welcome to Animal Spirits with Michael and Ben on today's show. We speak with Jack Newwriter.

We spoke with Jack a couple of months ago in Boston. Ben, do you remember when that was? Was that October?

It was October, yes. We were joking about it. We thought that that was the crypto winter,

but that was before FTX fell apart. Oh, wait a minute. No, it wasn't.

It was. It was? Yes. That was before FTX fell apart.

Oh, it was like a week before actually. Was it October 10th? Yeah, yeah, right. You're right.

It was just before. I think the show ran a little later, but yeah, it felt like a crypto winter,

and that was before FTX had fallen. So things got even worse from there.

Yeah, you're right. I'm going to have to chart now. If we could have seen,

if somebody would have showed us the chart of Bitcoin in the future, we would have said,

well, what would we have said? What would you have guess blew up finance?

That's a good question. I don't know. Regardless, it was a tough year for crypto in general,

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