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Talk Heathen 09.27 with Christy Powell and Sofia Spina

Talk Heathen

Atheist Community of Austin

Society & Culture

4.6607 Ratings

🗓️ 6 July 2025

⏱️ 84 minutes

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0:00.0

Welcome to Talk Heathen, the show where we take your calls and explore belief with curiosity and courage.

0:06.4

I'm Christy Powell, and today I want to begin with something that's been weighing heavy on my mind.

0:10.9

Not just as a former believer, not just as a therapist, and not just as a Texan, but as a citizen of this complicated country we call home.

0:20.0

It's no secret that American identity and

0:22.1

Christianity have long been tangled together like roots in dry soil. You can't really dig

0:28.0

into one without pulling up clumps of the other. This nation was founded, at least in part,

0:33.4

on religious idealism, but let's be honest. it was also founded on stolen land, on the backs of

0:39.8

enslaved people, and with a version of Christian faith that comforted the powerful while quieting

0:45.7

the oppressed. And those histories aren't parallel. They're intertwined. We've all heard the phrase

0:51.6

Christian nation tossed out like a compliment, like a badge of honor.

0:55.2

But what does that really mean?

0:56.7

What kind of Christianity are we talking about?

1:00.1

The gentle, justice-driven Jesus of the Sermon of the Mount or the more militarized flag-draped

1:06.4

Messiah of Fox News and political rallies?

1:10.0

Because the Christianity that so often gets wrapped in red,

1:13.1

white, and blue isn't about loving your neighbor. It's about controlling them. It's about enforcing

1:18.8

hierarchy, patriarchal, racial, economic, through spiritual authority. It tells us that God

1:25.5

anointed this nation, that white forefathers were divinely guided, and that any challenge to this story is rebellion against the sacred.

1:34.3

That idea is not just nationalism. That is white Christian nationalism, a belief system that says America belongs to white Christians and must be ruled accordingly.

1:46.0

And it's not fringe.

1:47.5

It shows up in our laws, in our school boards, and our courtrooms.

1:51.5

It showed up in the chance and crosses carried on January 6th.

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