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TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast

Tales from the Crypt #19: The Brothers O'Beirne Pt. II

TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast

Marty Bent

Technology

4.8764 Ratings

🗓️ 29 March 2018

⏱️ 87 minutes

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Summary

Part II of Marty's conversation with the brothers O'Beirne gets more philosophical as the crew dives into many different topics.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Tales from the Cript.

0:09.0

What is up, Freaks? Welcome back to Tales from the Cript.

0:12.0

It's Marty Ben here for part two of our conversation with Will and James O'Burn.

0:17.0

Very excited for you guys to jump into the second half of this conversation. We get a little

0:22.2

drunker and get deeper and more philosophical into this stuff.

0:30.9

Really a lot of the questions that I have about, not just proof of work, but a lot of like

0:34.9

Bitcoin things, and there is always an answer, and I would almost call it a canonical answer because I hear it from more people more than once.

0:41.3

But they don't always feel like realistic answers to me.

0:44.6

They feel like coming up with an idea in a frictionless environment, but interacting with a very frictionful environment, which involves, you know, real people.

0:54.4

Well, that's literally my argument against proof of stake.

0:58.0

I think human systems are more complicated than thermodynamic systems.

1:03.3

And proof of stake is inherently a more social thing than having an ASIC chip that proves that

1:09.7

you've done something.

1:10.4

But we can agree it goes beyond thermodynamics. It goes on, you know, if the president decides

1:15.4

to put tariffs and taxes on foreign imports, well, now all of my hardware gets more expensive.

1:22.3

And now the decentralization fails because it's cheaper to run this hardware everywhere else in the world.

1:29.0

That's fleeting to an extent because it's only for...

1:32.3

I would argue that's like...

1:34.3

That could be temporary.

1:36.7

Well, network security is not a temporary issue.

1:39.4

If you open yourself up to a single 51% attack, James puts it you might as well go home well a

1:45.6

51% attack um in terms of doing a reorg gets a lot harder as you go deeper in the chain and

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