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It is hard for me to imagine that Trump is not thinking about what does life look like as an ex-president.

The businesses we know about are not doing well. This is a family in real financial trouble.

He made a fair bit of his money from the former Soviet Union over the last decade.

I also think that's his best shot to make a lot of money going forward.

Hello, welcome to The Clanchon on the Vox Media Podcast Network.

I've been thinking a lot lately about not quite Donald Trump and Russia, but Donald Trump and the Trump Organization.

We are so focused on this question of collusion that I think we're missing a lot around the question of corruption.

Some of that corruption might, of course, relate to Russia. It might relate to whether or not Vladimir Putin or people around Vladimir Putin have some kind of leverage on Donald Trump.

It might relate to whether or not Donald Trump is trying to get something out of people around Vladimir Putin, either paying them back for something in the past or do something in the future.

So you kind of hear it in that space. But there's a lot else here too.

The Trump Organization is this massive sprawling, quite poorly managed. And in many cases, very shady operation.

And what it's got Trump in and what that means the people who have been in it with him have on Donald Trump is I think a more important question for our country than we give a credit for it.

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