Welcome to Curt Affairs. My name is Nathan Robinson. I am the editor-in-chief of Current Affairs

Magazine, and we are joined today by one of my favorite friends of the magazine. Returning to the

program, it is Bronco Marchitich. He is a staff writer at Jacobin magazine. He is also probably the world's leading,

or at least the left's leading Joe Biden expert, having written the book, yesterday's man,

the case against Joe Biden, and having published in Jacobin, upon Biden's departure from office,

a sort of two-parter assessing Biden, the headline of divided into domestic and foreign policy,

the domestic portion being titled At Home, Joe Biden squandered countless opportunities,

and the foreign component of the essay being called on foreign policy,

Biden leaves a global trail of destruction.

So here to wrap up the Biden presidency for us is Bronco.

Hello, Bronco.

Hello. First of all, I'm going to give you kudos for the seamless and very good pronunciation

of my name. That is not a common thing that happens. You know, I was real nervous.

I was like, the seconds leading up to hitting that, I was like, don't fuck it up. Don't fuck it up.

Well, no, I appreciate that. You know, saying I'm that, I was like, don't fuck it up, don't fuck it up.

Well, no, I appreciate that.

You know, saying I'm the world's foremost expert in Joe Biden, it's kind of like being the world's foremost expert in Zeppelins or something, you know?

Or maybe in this case, the Hindenberg specifically.

I realized as I said it, it was a little bit of a backhanded compliment, unfortunately.

Yeah, relevant for four years and no longer.

Well, I wanted to bring you on because I think your Biden expertise will not be drawn upon much longer as this man fades into the mists of history.

I think a lot of people would probably prefer to move on and forget Joe Biden.

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