And they don't like the idea that we have bases and forces stationed in Asia that can reach out and touch them within a couple thousand miles, and they have no ability to get near us.

So they're building the capability to do that.

They want to be an absolute equal and they want to be able to discuss policy and, you know, the preference would be to actually delineate

sectors and spheres of interest in Asia. And quite frankly, we are not going to do that.

Hey, welcome back to the Modern War Institute podcast. I'm John Amble, editorial director at MWI.

And for this episode, I had a chance to talk to Larry Wurzel. He is a retired army officer and a scholar who has spent

much of his career both in uniform and since retiring, studying China. He also has some really

extraordinary firsthand experience with China and the Chinese military. He joined me for this episode

so we could talk about China. As US leaders increasingly and publicly label China

as America's pacing threat, it's also increasingly critical that we do everything we can to understand

China, its leadership, its strategic objectives, its military capabilities, and both its strengths

and its weaknesses. We touch on all of those subjects in the conversation you're about to hear.

Before we get to it, though, as always, just a couple quick notes. First, if you aren't yet

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And second, as always, what you hear in

this episode are the views of the participants and don't represent those of West Point,

the Army, or any other agency of the U.S. government. All right, here's my conversation with

Larry Wurzell. Larry, thank you so much for joining me for this episode of the MWI podcast.

We're going to talk about China.

But before we do, you've spent a great deal of your professional career both in uniform and and subsequently

thinking about china uh writing about china studying china um you know just by way of introduction i

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