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Business Movers

Taking Microsoft Into the Cloud | How Bill Gates Fumbled the Future of Microsoft | 5

Business Movers

Wondery

History, Entrepreneurship, Business

4.71.6K Ratings

🗓️ 18 August 2022

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

Author David Bank delves deeper into the antitrust trial that sent Bill Gates falling from grace and nearly broke Microsoft apart. 

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0:31.0

It's March 1997 in Redmond, Washington.

0:36.0

Inside building 27 of Microsoft's headquarters, a group of employees gather inside a crowded conference room.

0:43.0

Among them is Ben Slivka. As he walks in, he strides toward the front of the room and prepares a PowerPoint presentation about the programming language Java.

0:53.0

Ben has been part of a team trying to use Java to run Microsoft's products on any kind of operating system, not just Microsoft Windows.

1:01.0

To Ben and his team, the effort is necessary to compete with other software companies making similar moves to become platform agnostic.

1:08.0

Today he's here to present his team's progress.

1:11.0

As the room fills up, Microsoft's CEO Bill Gates motions for Ben to begin.

1:16.0

All right, great. Thanks, Bill. Hello, everyone. If we're all ready, I'll go ahead and get started.

1:21.0

Ben waits as the room grows silent. Then he clicks up his first slide.

1:26.0

As Ben begins his presentation, he glances over at Bill, who Ben knows is skeptical of his work.

1:32.0

Bill doesn't see the point of making Microsoft's products agnostic. He wants people to use Microsoft products on Microsoft's operating system.

1:40.0

But Ben disagrees. He knows customers want freedom to run software on whatever operating system they like.

1:46.0

And today, Ben hopes he might finally be able to change Bill's mind.

1:50.0

But just as Ben moves on to the next slide, Bill interrupts him. There's nothing about that slide I liked, Ben.

1:56.0

Immediately, Ben feels his palms grow sweaty. For a moment, he's at a loss for words.

2:01.0

Ben tries to get back on track, but Bill won't let him.

2:05.0

And what is going on here? What are you doing? I'm not sure I know what you mean, Bill. What about the slide bothers you?

2:11.0

Though Ben asks the question, he already knows the answer. He hasn't incorporated windows into his presentation.

2:17.0

And there's not a single mention of windows on that slide. Not one. That's the problem for me.

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