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I see you, girl. You're a leader. You're a leader in your friend groups, your church,

your communities. And I know that as a leader, you can get so bogged down and burdened by the

fear of man and the approval we seek from others. But what does it look like to take Jesus seriously

and not much else? How can we be sincere in our faith, living in awe of the greatness of God,

but not hanging our hats on our own

or others' opinion of us. Well, that's exactly what Caroline Evans and I talk about in this episode.

So if that sounds like you, you're in for a treat. I'm your host, Haley Williams, and this is

Kindled, a podcast where women share stories of motherhood, work, and the grace we need for both.

Well, Caroline, thank you so much for coming on Kindled today.

I am excited to be chatting with you because ever since I just found out about who you are

and started reading your writing, I have been cracking up at both your posts and your

interviews and your writing and, but also really moved by, I think, just the truth that kind of

flows out of like your perspective. And so that's why I wanted to have you on the show.

Well, thank you. That's so kind. Well,

makes my day. Yeah. So can you tell people who have not heard of you, who you are and what you do?

Yes. Okay. So I'm a writer. I'm a ministry leader. I'm a mom to two really cute kids.

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