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What Next | Daily News and Analysis

Taking ICE to Court

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

Slate Podcasts

Daily News, News, News Commentary

4.32.4K Ratings

🗓️ 21 April 2026

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

During the Trump administration’s winter immigration surge, high-level officials assured ICE agents that they could act with impunity. But two different legal cases from Minnesota and Maine are finding ways to challenge the immunity they assumed they had as federal officers.


Guest:  Mark Joseph Stern, senior staff writer at Slate covering courts and the law cohost of Amicus.


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0:00.0

Consider this your reminder.

0:09.4

Even if you are distracted at the moment by the war in Iran or the fragile economy,

0:15.1

President Trump's immigration agenda continues apace.

0:21.9

I know this because Slate's Mark Joseph Stern has been digging into the public record.

0:27.5

I spend a lot of time reading through sort of district court dockets and trying to understand

0:34.0

what is happening beneath the front pages of the immigration crackdown because

0:38.6

the human stories are just sort of flooding the courts.

0:42.8

Mark is seeing stories that might otherwise be hidden.

0:46.5

The case of a guy who was riding his bike when he was suddenly thrown into a van.

0:51.1

Filinges from people kept in jail cells without toilets. stuff that is often happening for no discernible reason.

0:59.5

What we are seeing is really an unprecedented flood of what are called habeas petitions from immigrants asking federal judges to release them because they are being held without unlawful authority.

1:10.3

On paper, a huge number of these arrests and detentions are unlawful and should never have

1:14.7

been allowed in the first place.

1:17.1

I'm used to this kind of grinding sense that there is no redress for the actions that

1:26.5

immigration agents are taking. Like, a couple months back, I think it was

1:30.9

February, a few folks were brought to Washington to testify in front of Congress about their

1:37.0

treatment by immigration officials. Like this woman, Alia Rahman, testified. People may be familiar

1:43.4

with her because she was going to a doctor's appointment and was

1:47.4

dragged out of her car in Minneapolis.

1:49.4

This was sort of in the middle of Operation Metro surge back in January.

1:56.7

I'm used to hearing about these cases and like nothing happens afterwards. Like everyone knows

2:01.8

this was an awful thing. There's public footage of it. There's public testimony. And then individual

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