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Perhaps you're listening to this very podcast while measuring out ingredients for dinner, in grams and milliliters if you're normal, or in cups if you're a war criminal.

Measurement is so ubiquitous that we rarely consider its history, but what is that history and how does what and how we choose to measure affect our lives and our societies.

Joining me to discuss this is tech journalist James Vincent, whose new book Beyond Measure, is a revelatory and vibrant history of

measurement that provides a fresh perspective on the entirety of the physical world.

So hopefully we can cover all of that in a short conversation.

James, welcome to the bunker.

Fantastic to be here here.

Thank you for having me.

Yeah, no, I want to talk about the entire material plane, if that's possible today.

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