You're about to listen to a BBC podcast and I'd like to tell you a bit about the

podcast I work on. I'm Dan Clark and I commissioned factual podcasts at the BBC.

It's a massive area but I'd sum it up as stories to help us make sense of the forces shaping the world.

What podcasting does is give us the space and the time to take brilliant BBC journalism

and tell amazing compelling stories that really get behind the headlines.

And what I get really excited about is when we find a way of drawing you into a subject

you might not even have thought you were interested in.

Whether it's investigations, science, tech, politics, culture, true crime, the environment,

you can always discover more with a podcast on BBC Sounds.

BBC Sounds, music radio podcasts.

Hello, we're looking for Anton.

Welcome. and Tom. Welcome to the food program.

That place for Hungry Minds.

I'm Sheila Dillon and today we're looking at how food delivery has evolved over the past few years with apps such as deliveroo and

moved at lightning speed over the last three weeks as we've had to retreat into our homes

and restaurants have been switching to pure delivery.

First I'm going to take you to a place I visited just before I began isolating a dark kitchen.

Before the pandemic changed the world, more and more fast food

chains, good food mini chains and just playing good restaurants, ones that used

Uber eats, just eat Deliverer, had decided to move some of their

cooking to kitchens with lower rents, away from the high street.

They're often windowless shipping containers under flyovers or, like where I am now, under

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