Taiwan, Ukraine, and Pelosi (Robert Wright & Thomas Friedman)

Robert Wright's Nonzero

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🗓️ 2 August 2022

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Tom: Pelosi’s trip to Taiwan imperils the defense of Ukraine ... Unpacking the Russia-Ukraine/China-Taiwan analogy ... Tom’s critique of Bob’s argument on Russia-Ukraine ... The dangers of humiliating and alienating China ... Does Biden have a plan for winding down the war in Ukraine – and does Putin? ... China could push Russia to end the war – so why is Pelosi poking the panda? ... Why cooperation with China is in America’s national interest ... Tom’s scoop on Zelensky’s worsening reputation in the White House ... Why Tom thinks a diplomatic resolution should come sooner rather than later ...

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0:00.0	You're listening to Robert Wright's Non-Zero Podcast.
0:08.9	Hi, Tom.
0:10.6	Hey, Bob.
0:11.0	How are you?
0:11.7	I can't complain.
0:12.7	How are you doing?
0:14.3	I'm good.
0:15.3	I can't complain either.
0:16.6	And if I did, no one would care.
0:17.9	But it's, I can't complain.
0:19.6	Oh, Tom.
0:20.8	Millions of, millions of enthusiastic readers care about you. Yes, right. Let me introduce this. I'm Robert Wright, a publisher of the Non-Zero Newsletter. This is a non-zero podcast. You are Thomas Friedman, well-known in Pulitzer Prize-winning author-end columnist from New York Times. You write about foreign affairs.
0:38.9	We're going to talk about, I think, both Ukraine and Taiwan, you actually wrote a very interesting
0:43.9	column today connecting the two.
0:47.3	You know, as of airtime, I believe, as of recording time, Nancy Pelosi was still apparently going to go to
0:56.1	Taiwan. She may. She's at this moment. She's arrived. Having her meetings, yeah. Sounds like she's just
1:02.1	going to stay for the day and not even overnight. But, uh, well, I guess maybe that's an improvement.
1:07.2	But in any event, your column, uh, I found really interesting because it made a
1:13.2	kind of argument against her going that was a little different from the arguments I had heard.
1:18.7	I mean, everyone had talked about tensions with Taiwan, potentially explosive, World War III and so on.
1:24.4	You had a slightly different point to make connecting this to Ukraine.
1:29.9	Do you want to run over that for us?
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