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Hello and welcome to Table Talk, the Spectator's Food and Drink podcast. I'm Laura Prendergast.

And I'm Olivia Potts. And we're delighted today to be joined by

Callum Franklin. Callum is executive head chef at Holbein Dining Room and a pastry expert who has become

renowned internationally for his pies so much so that Jamie Oliver refers to him as the pie king.

His new book, The Pie Room, is a treasure trove of recipes

for some of his favourite ever pastry dishes. Callum, thank you very much for joining us.

Thank you for having me. I'm really excited to talk to you guys. Well, we're going to start

where we always start at the beginning. We would love to know your first memory of food.

I mean, for me, it's sitting with my brothers as a child and, yeah, kind of, you know,

sitting down around the family table with my mum and my brothers.

And if I eat something that reminds me of that and gives me that sort of you know comfort of a simpler

time i try and put it on the menu at work what kind of things what bring what brings comfort and

memories back yeah i mean for me like in terms of pies yeah a fish pie 100% reminds me of sort of

sitting with my mum and brothers as a kid.

My dad worked away a lot.

So with him around,

it was often like a fish and chip Friday night,

something like that.

But yeah,

I think food having that ability to sort of transport you away somewhere

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