This is Spectator Radio and you're listening to Table Talk with Olivia Potts and Laura Prendergast.

Hello and welcome to Table Talk, the Spectator's Food and Drink Podcast. I'm Laura Prendergars and I'm

joined by Olivia Potts. This week we are joined by Brianie Gordon. Brian, it's lovely to have you here today.

Thank you for having them. In the 18 years that she's worked for the telegraph, Brianie Gordon

has become one of the paper's best love writers. She is the author of the bestselling the wrong

knickers plus the Sunday Times number one bestseller Mad Girl, which was nominated for a British

book award. Her latest book, Eat, Drink, Run,

How I Got Fit Without Going Too Mad was published earlier this year. Let's start at the beginning.

What was your favourite childhood food? God, I think it was Matt Donald's. Do you remember it was

something that we weren't allowed? I mean, well, it was also quite, I feel like it was quite a new thing.

I sound like I was bought up in the dark ages. I don't, it was really interesting. Food doesn't really kind of define my younger life in the way it does for some people on account of the fact that my mum, I guess I'm 38 and I guess my, my mum's generation with the first generation who really kind of

they seemed to, well she equated cooking with like being with oppression really, terrible oppression

but you know what I mean? Of like the patriarchy being tied to a stove and a woman's place in the

kitchen. Yeah and she was like no you've got to go out and work for a living. Don't cook. So food

was very kind of like it was sort of incidental almost and she was like, no, you've got to go out and work for a living, don't cook. So food was

very kind of like, it was sort of incidental almost. And she did cook, she cooked like a Lancashire

hot pot, which was really good. And then the odd roast, but that was literally, those are my

only childhood memories. And so food, and I feel a bit sad about that because I, I am terrible with, with food.

And my, I tend to sort of, I always, even as a child, it's weird, my, my memories of food are quite shameful.

That's really sad.

So like, I used to kind of secretly binge.

Like I used to eat like an entire packet of Herta Frankfurt's raw.

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