Tabata Amaral on Brazil’s Future

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

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4.6 • 907 Ratings

🗓️ 7 January 2023

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Tabata Amaral is a Brazilian politician currently serving as a federal deputy for the center-left Brazilian Socialist Party (PSB), representing the state of São Paulo. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Tabata Amaral discuss her journey from a childhood of poverty to her admission to Harvard and her election as one of the youngest congresspeople in Brazil; how Lula’s ideologically diverse coalition was able to oust President Jair Bolsonaro; why Bolsonaro continues to enjoy broad support; and how Brazil can unlock its future by fighting corruption and improving basic education. This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: [email protected] Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by John Taylor Williams, and Brendan Ruberry Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:56.0	Hi there, my name is Luke Hallam.
0:58.0	I'm an associate editor of Persuasion,
1:00.0	and I've just published an article called Reasons for Optimism in 2023 with one eye and fresh dangers.
1:05.9	So essentially I take us through three reasons why I think we should be optimistic about 2023,
1:10.5	and I temper them by saying there are all these other reasons why we should be maybe be a bit pessimistic.
1:15.0	The first reason for optimism is that Donald Trump failed at the ballot box in 2022.
1:20.0	The midterms showed this really clearly.
1:22.0	Mega Candidates are not doing well.
1:25.0	So that's a good reason to be optimistic about the state of liberal democracy.
1:28.0	The flip side of that is that all these worrying philosophies appearing on the new right as some people call it.
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1:38.0	the separation of church and state. So even if MAGA as a political force isn't doing very well,
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