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The Bunker – News without the nonsense

System Failure – Is AI going to drive us all insane?

The Bunker – News without the nonsense

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News, Government, Politics, Society & Culture

4.61K Ratings

🗓️ 18 September 2025

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

AI promised helpful assistants. Instead, some users find “friends,” therapists, even lovers. But when bots reflect our thoughts back at us, paranoia, mania and worse can follow. Today on The Bunker, Alex von Tunzelmann speaks to Dr. Kate Devlin, Professor of Artificial Intelligence and Society at King's College London and Chair-Director of the Digital Futures Institute, to look at the risks that come when chatbots blur the line between fact and fiction.  • Claim the Naked Wines offer here: ⁠nakedwines.co.uk/thebunker⁠ • We are sponsored by Indeed. Go to https://indeed.com/bunker for £100 sponsored credit.   www.patreon.com/bunkercast  Follow us on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/bunkerpod.bsky.social  Advertisers! Want to reach smart, engaged, influential people with money to spend? (Yes, they do exist). Some 3.5 MILLION people download and watch our podcasts every month – and they love our shows. Why not get YOUR brand in front of our influential listeners with podcast advertising? Contact ads@podmasters.co.uk to find out more Written and presented by Alex von Tunzelmann. Producer: Liam Tait. Audio editors: Tom Taylor. Managing editor: Jacob Jarvis. Music by Kenny Dickinson. Group Editor: Andrew Harrison. THE BUNKER is a Podmasters Production. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

This edition of The Bunker is sponsored by Naked Wines. I'm Seth Tevall.

0:04.8

And I'm Zoe Grunewold.

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forward slash the bunker, to grab six bottles for just $39.99. Click the link in the description. Welcome back to The Bunker, News Without the Nonsense.

1:50.9

I'm Alex von Tundselman.

1:52.9

Now, generative AI chatbots were meant to make life easier,

1:56.8

a friendly assistant on the other side of the screen who never tired of answering your questions,

2:01.7

but for some users, the chat has taken a darker turn.

2:06.4

While some people may clearly understand that these things are basically predictive text generators,

2:11.6

others start to imagine that they're talking to a genuine intelligence,

2:15.3

something with ideas of its own that you could confide in,

2:18.9

which can lead you to new discoveries or become your friend, your therapist, even your lover.

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