most of my life was a lot of nose. I mean, that was from dancing and auditioning, but like so many

knows and so many people just like counting me out, but you can't count yourself out. You have to

believe in what you have to offer and what you're bringing to the world. So just keep showing up and

keep finding new directions if that one thing isn't working. You've gotten great at divine working,

but what about divine living?

Welcome to the Divine Living podcast.

I'm your host, Gina DeVie.

You're not alone in wanting more.

And here at the Divine Living podcast, you can expect to be part of conversations

from women like us who unapologetically dream big and are obsessed with manifesting

our most fabulous lives. The conversation starts now.

Sydney, it is such a joy to have you on the Divine Living podcast. Not only am I super looking forward to interviewing you,

because it was such a delight to be on your show. My team is obsessed with you. And they did

everything. They're like, can we be on the Zoom too? I was like, I think it's going to be me and

Sydney this time, but everyone's really excited. I know my audience is going to be super excited to get in

on this conversation. So welcome to the show. Yeah, well, that was a great welcome. That's so sweet of

them to be a fan in some way. But yeah, I'm so happy to be here. We had a great conversation on my

podcast and I felt like we flowed. So I'm excited just to chat more. Awesome. Awesome. So because my audience

tends to be really in the entrepreneurial space for any of you living under a rock that maybe

haven't connected with Bachelor Nation and all things Bachelor, we're going to be talking some of what Sydney's

experience was there, and then we'll get into the entrepreneurial endeavors as well.

But Cindy, I got to ask you, just from starters, do you get tired of talking about your experience

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