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Sweden’s lockdown lite

More or Less

BBC

News Commentary, Science, Mathematics, News

4.63.7K Ratings

🗓️ 11 July 2020

⏱️ 15 minutes

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Summary

Unlike its Nordic neighbours, Sweden never imposed a lockdown to stem the spread of coronavirus. Tim Harford speaks to statistician Ola Rosling to find out what the results have been.

Presenter: Tim Harford Producer: Jo Casserly

Picture: A woman wearing a face mask stands at a Stockholm bus stop where a sign reminds passengers to maintain a minimum social distance. Sweden 25 June 2020. Credit: EPA/ Stina Stjernkvist

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to More or Less.

0:02.1

We're the programme all about the numbers all around us in the news and in life, and

0:06.3

I'm Tim Haafard.

0:08.5

This week I'll be speaking to Swedish statistician Ula Rosling to find out how effective Sweden's

0:14.5

lockdown light has been in slowing the spread of coronavirus.

0:19.3

But first I have an update for you on More or Less's pet subject.

0:23.2

You guessed it, it's testing.

0:24.8

And when it comes to testing, if there's something strange in the neighbourhood, who

0:28.7

are you going to call?

0:30.2

Kate Lambel.

0:31.2

Kate, of course, was the producer of our marathon radio four series.

0:35.9

Hello, Kate.

0:36.9

You're making it away, would you?

0:38.7

Not quite.

0:39.7

No, so just remind us briefly why you have been looking into testing for the last however

0:46.3

many months.

0:47.3

So when our last series started all the way back in March, the UK government was having

0:50.9

quite a slow start with COVID-19 testing.

0:54.2

But in April they set themselves as really big target.

0:57.0

They said by the end of the month they wanted to be doing a hundred thousand tests a day.

1:01.4

And they said they achieved that target on the last day in April, just in time.

1:06.5

As if by magic.

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