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May 1st, 2000 and 22. Now before I begin today's podcast, I just have to say to Sophia race.

My niece, who I love more than my wife itself, graduated yesterday from the University of Michigan.

And you know, Sophia, I know you graduated with honors. I know you've had a stellar four years

there, but that's not exactly why I'm so proud of you. I'm proud of you because of who you are.

Because you have learned over these past four years to trust yourself more than you trust others.

And that is a theme that I have talked about on this podcast for almost three years now.

And you haven't body that at this point in time. And for that one reason and one reason only

right now, I am so proud of you. But I'm also everybody talking about this because Katie and I

both watched Sophia at her graduation watched it streaming yesterday. Actually, we couldn't see her

because there were so many people. But that's besides the point. And the speaker was Maria Schreiber,

the commencement speaker. And if any of you are lucky enough to have ever heard Maria Schreiber speak,

you know that she is one of the best speakers ever in the entire world. And I do not say that lightly.

I had the great good fortune of being able to be on stage with her many times in California,

where she would give these huge events mainly for women. And they were over the top great,

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