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Hello and welcome to another special bonus episode of the new abnormal. And we thank you so

much for being here. Today we are so lucky as we have Susan Orleen, who you might know

as the author of the Orchid Thief, and has a new book out called On Animals. And we're

going to be talking to her about that today. By the way, if you want to learn when each

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Welcome Susan to the new abnormal.

Thanks. I'm really excited to be on the show with you. Well, we're excited to have you.

And it's fun for us to do books and also things that aren't totally depressing.

Oh, well, I'm not totally depressing. I'm uplifting and positive. Right. We will be a stark

contrast from all of our other interviews ever.

Well, good. I'm glad I can provide a little uplift and a little brightness in this dark

world. You're sort of a beloved cultural figure now. How do I get that? Go. How do you

get to be a beloved cultural figure? It's okay. So I would say number one, you have to

increase your alcohol intake. Yeah, I mean, that's the number one. I think people simply

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