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NPR's Book of the Day

Susan Kuklin and Maia Kobabe's books explore gender identity throughout adolescence

NPR's Book of the Day

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Arts, Books

4.2671 Ratings

🗓️ 6 October 2023

⏱️ 17 minutes

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Summary

Today's episode features interviews with two authors whose books on trans and queer gender identity are facing challenges in school districts across the U.S. First, NPR's Steve Inskeep sits down with writer and photographer Susan Kuklin to discuss her book, Beyond Magenta, which features the photos and narratives of six trans and nonbinary teens around the country. Then, NPR's Rachel Martin asks Maia Kobabe about Gender Queer, the graphic memoir detailing Kobabe's own experience navigating gender and communicating that journey to friends and family.

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0:00.0

Hey, it's NPR's Book of the Day. I'm Andrew Limbaugh. Books about the lives of queer people are

0:07.6

often the ones targeted by conservative groups. Of course, that's never the stated reason in a bit.

0:13.1

We'll hear from Maya Kobe, whose book Gender Queer is one of the most banned books out there.

0:17.5

One of the reasons, on paper, at least, is for its sexually explicit material.

0:22.6

We'll hear more about it in sec. But first, Beyond Magenta by Susan Cucklin takes a more

0:27.3

anthropological approach to teens and gender identity. For her book, she talked to young

0:32.2

trans teens and crafted a candid and genuine look at their lives. And Cucklin tells NPR Steve Inskeep that most of the complaints about the book

0:39.9

aren't about gender identity, but it will be about someone, say, talking about how they

0:45.4

were sexually abused, and so the book gets deemed as explicit.

0:49.4

And it's interesting to hear her talk about a story that she took as an inspiring message

0:53.1

of survival and see it get twisted into something else.

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1:38.2

We've been reading some banned books.

1:40.7

There works that people try to get out of public schools and libraries.

1:43.6

In our coverage,

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