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Welcome to another episode of To the Contrary podcast. I'm Charlie Sykes. Just another day in America. I mean, where do we start? We start with the arraignment of James Comey, the extraordinary performance of Pam Bondi in front of the United States Senate, the October 7th anniversary, the status of the Epstein case, the occupation of various U.S. cities, the fact of the President of the United States calling for jailing the mayor of Chicago and the governor of Illinois. No, that's not a parody. All of this is actually happening. The suggestion that he might invoke the Insurrection Act, who better to talk about all of this with than the New Yorkers, Susan Glasser, who like me, has been strapped to the mast and watching this for the last decade. So welcome back, Susan.

Strapped to the mask indeed, Charlie. Stop the boat.

I want to get off. Okay. So right before we started, you raised a really interesting question.

And I guess it's part of what we all wrestle with is whether some of the things that we're seeing

now are, whether there are inflection points, whether there

are moments that historians are going to look back on and say, okay, that was the turning point,

that was the Rubicon, or whether it's just more of the same. Because for 10 years, we've been

saying, well, that's a turning point or, you know, that's, that's the thing that's going to change everything.

And in fact, it hasn't because it's been this long, slow slide.

So just give me your sense of this moment.

Because things feel, and, you know, I've been talking to people who say, you know, okay, it's been bad for a while.

It feels like it's escalating.

It feels like we're heading towards something that might be irreversible.

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