Hello campers, grab your marshmallows and gather around the true crime campfire.

Wear your camp counselors, I'm Katie, and I'm Whitney.

And we're here to tell you a true story that is way stranger than fiction, or roasting

murderers and marshmallows around the true crime campfire.

So campers, today we're excited to have a special guest with us.

I'm sure most of you are familiar by now with the dirty John story, either because of

the six part LA Times podcast or the TV series with Eric Banna and Connie Britton.

They tell the story of con man and serial predator John Mehan, who seems to have devoted

his entire life to using and abusing other people, especially women, to satisfy his drug

addiction and his sadistic desire for control.

Today we're joined by Deborah Newell, whose life with John Mehan inspired the podcast and

the many series.

Deborah has written a new book along with veteran true crime writer M. William Phelps.

It's called Surviving Dirty John.

My true story of love, lies, and murder, and Deborah is a woman on a mission to educate

us about predators like John and how to protect ourselves from them.

That is a goal that's dear to our hearts here at True Crime Campfire, so we're thrilled

to do what we can to help her get her message out.

This is Survivor, Deborah Newell moves past dirty John.

So, for those of you who aren't familiar with the dirty John's story, I'll give you

a thumbnail sketch.

We don't have time to tell the whole story, and it is one hell of a story, so if you haven't

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